. >> rick, this was sold with a proposition that it would not add a dime to the deficit. do you believe that? >> the honest answer, i don't think we know yet. most of the spending provision have not gone into affect yet and when they do it is experimental. >> it is not for the states emac who have to begin to set up the exchangings. there is no guarantee that obama care will be repealed and that it will not be in or out and states have to prepare right now . that costs money. >> it feels like a high school science project throw in the baking soda and soda and right in the taxpayer's face. medicaid and medicare are rising by 17 trillion over 75 years due to health reform. a quarter of the state's budget is toward medicaid . medicaid part of the budget rising x. four times faster. >> mark, even the democratic governors are worried. governor cuomo is saying that he doesn't have all of the cash necessary to set up the exchanges that are part of the whole plan and what are they going to do? these states are strap asked they don't have the money? >> this is covered by the feder